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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Dec 15, 2010 7:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Get your primal fix for the day, week...

While trying to track down the first Darkstar (yeah, I was attempting to make a contribution here), I stumbled upon this little SBD jewel that I hadn't listened to in a while:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1967-10-22.sbd.yerys.1525.shnf

If you have not heard or remember it: stop what you are doing immediately and crank (don't forget the subwoofer.)

Listen to the first 23 seconds of AM Dew: now close your eyes and ask "how the fook did it start here and end with "Liberty""? I think it is thoughts like this that give certain forumites strokes, coronaries, and the piles.

Also, please stick note the early-generation lyrics of TOO that follow 3:35 of insane playing. The first verse I have before or something very similar but the second verse sounds completely unfamiliar. I think he is saying something about "teaching to read and write"---anybody recall ever hearing that lyric on another show?



Enjoy,
TOOTMO

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Dec 15, 2010 8:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Get your primal fix for the day, week...

yes, this is a GREAT show, i agree!

though i am not as familiar with '67 as '68-'69 i think its safe to say that this is one of the best of the year, and probably my favorite that i've heard thus far.

i would also like to add that the New Potato Caboose is ridiculous...

This post was modified by clementinescaboose on 2010-12-15 16:20:14

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Dec 15, 2010 9:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Get your primal fix for the day, week...

After four straight passes through the show, I've got to add the Cryptical outro as one of the heaviest, and, therefore, one of my favorites. After the singin', they just take OFF, again.

Am pokin' around before and after this show to see what else is delectable---will report any nuggets found.

TOOTMO

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Dec 15, 2010 10:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Get your primal fix for the day, week...

Yeah, it seems to be the first TOO. Pretty lame initial lyrics, eh? Combining that unattached head with the folksy down-in-the-county-jail stuff is, well, an interesting exercise in eclecticism. Otherwise known as an uncooked mishmash. I'm so glad it evolved!!! But hey, it was a first take, and to my ears the music is amazingly hot for something that's coming right out of the starting gate. And it's so cool to hear those early lyrics.

There was a thread a week or so back wherein some of us attempted to track down, oh, various things related to the early TOOs. The development of the lyrics is so interesting; you can find some lists of shows with evolving lyrics there. LiA contributed his usual insightful thoughts and a list of 67s that he'd rank higher, though I still say this 10/22 is one heck of a nice primal volcano.

http://www.archive.org/post/337334/first-too-referenced-in-pl-bw-interview-below

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Dec 15, 2010 9:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Get your primal fix for the day, week...

It is interesting to hear the Other One lyrics evolve over the first few versions - Weir didn't settle on the 'final' version for a few months. Goes to show, they took more pains getting their songs right in those days than you'd expect! (And Weir was more of a tinkerer than Garcia or Lesh, who'd deliver their songs almost-complete from the start.)

I always urge people to broaden their '67 horizons....there are after all just a few sbd shows to hear, and most of them are insanely hot, and unlike the way the Dead played later as they mellowed out...

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Dec 16, 2010 5:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Get your primal fix for the day, week...

>(And Weir was more of a tinkerer than Garcia or Lesh, who'd deliver their songs almost-complete from the start.)

Interesting point. He was also extremely young -- only 19 when the first TOO lyrics would have been written -- with so much less musical experience than the others, and he clearly recognized that his initial attempts weren't quite there yet and perhaps weren't going to be terribly "finished" until they'd been with the others for a while, getting feedback or whatever happened. Which shows an impressive maturity, really, and a serious commitment to pushing himself. Jerry and Phil were clearly driven, too, but were also so much further along as artists.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Dec 15, 2010 11:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Get your primal fix for the day, week...

Thanks, AR. Will check them out. I was here last week; I guess "my head was not "on site"".

TOO has become my favorite tune on days when AM Dew is not.
As I said, yesterday this is one of my favorite TOO's because of the thunder is sends.
http://www.archive.org/details/gd78-02-05.aud.set2.warner.19466.sbeok.shnf

Enjoy,
TOOTMO

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Dec 15, 2010 12:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Get your primal fix for the day, week...

WhaaAAT? You mean you don't read each and every thread, each and every day? What kind of deadicated forumite are you, anyway? Hmmm, might revoke your membership for that.

Thanks for the rec. Haven't heard that one yet. Isn't it DP 18? Don't have that one; I have my share of DPs, but I'm a nerd about liking whole unbroken shows (even with an out-of-tune Donna solo or a schlocky-popsy Brent song that I skip through, LOL), so I don't have, like, the Whole Complete Collection of All DPs Ever.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Dec 15, 2010 8:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Get your primal fix for the day, week...

If you haven't heard 2/5/78 from the Dick's Pick (or whatever sbd may be handy), you're missing out. I'm not even a '78 fan, and that second set is one of my favorites. The Other One is everything people say it is. Add to that one of the peak Scarlet>Fires, a Samson where Garcia won't stop soloing, etc, and you've got yourself an essential DP (even though it's a composite).

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Dec 15, 2010 12:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Get your primal fix for the day, week...

"WhaaAAT? You mean you don't read each and every thread, each and every day? What kind of deadicated forumite are you, anyway? Hmmm, might revoke your membership for that."

Heh heh---I used to read every post when I worked for my old firm---Tell's I read twice (hahaha: I tried to keep a straight face, just couldn't). Since I left them last spring and went back out on my own, I don't let my employee aimlessly surf and research possible obscure lyrical influences as much.

One of the downfalls of being self-employed is it hurts when you stick it to the Man.

Enjoy your visit and Happy Holiday.

TOOTMO

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Dec 15, 2010 11:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Get your primal fix for the day, week...

"Listen to the first 23 seconds of AM Dew: now close your eyes and ask "how the fook did it start here and end with "Liberty""? I think it is thoughts like this that give certain forumites strokes, coronaries, and the piles."

TOOT -

Is it just me or does Dew make an abrupt change from the pent up anger hinted at in those 23 seconds to an almost resignatory, docile tone when the lyrics start? I've listened to it three times now and the song mood swings like it's manic-depressive, bi-polar between the lyrics and intrumentals?

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Dec 15, 2010 12:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Get your primal fix for the day, week...

Okay, Mando. You might be onto something. If you listen to TOO a couple tracks later, they maintain more of the opening intensity once the singing starts. So, that kind of supports your point that there is a noticeable dropoff in the Dew after 23 seconds.

Man, this CE outro just kicks so much ass (or, "el punto burro" as we say in these parts.)

TOOTMO

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Dec 15, 2010 1:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Get your primal fix for the day, week...

The difference between TOO and Dew is like night and day. I wonder if this is a good example of one case where the song drives the musicians and another case where the musicians drive the song?

I don't know if that makes any sense to anyone except me. (You should probably seek professional help if that does make sense to you) It seems like they are responding to the tone of Dew and pulling back during the lyrics, but in TOO they are setting the tone?

Shit, that doesn't even make sense to me now??!?!?!?

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Dec 15, 2010 9:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Get your primal fix for the day, week...

I think in the early Dews, they aimed for those big swings, and wanted the contrast between quiet verses/blaring solos. Over the next few years Morning Dew became more 'settled' and mellow (and Garcia was able to sing it better) - they took their time and changed the dynamics more gradually.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Dec 15, 2010 12:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Get your primal fix for the day, week...

Shutting down Hollywood Bowl 1967-09-15 and returning to 1967-10-22. Must confess in the first six listenings today forgot to monitor for possible bipolarity, schizophrenia, etc. Won't happen again.

While I am checking it out, chew on this: I thought you were asking me at what point along the Good Ole GD continuum did AM Dew as a song in toto become so mellow. And, I am thinking specifically of very late Dews (late 80's and 90's) where you get Jerry trillin' a little at the end but that's about it.

Back in a few,
TOOTMO

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Dec 15, 2010 12:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Get your primal fix for the day, week...

Okay, Mando. You might be onto something. If you listen to TOO a couple tracks later, they maintain more of the opening intensity once the singing starts. So, that kind of supports your point that there is a noticeable dropoff in the Dew after 23 seconds.

Man, this CE outro just kicks so much ass (or, "el punto burro" as we say in these parts.)

TOOTMO

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Dec 15, 2010 12:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Get your primal fix for the day, week...

I see what you are saying, Mando, about the drop-off when the lyrics start. The energy picks back up at 3:30 and again around 5:25 just as he finishes singing those sections.
Is this Jerry more confident playing guitar than singing? Or, is he bringing it down while he is singing so that he can take it THAT MUCH Farther back up?

Other than that opening, the organ seems to mimic the guitar in intensity as they progress through the song. I just don't know and I have no musical training.

I just LOVE that guitar tone during the opening---if I played, that's what I would want to play (and Iron Man and Smoke on the Water and She Ran Calling Wildfire)

TOOTMO